Visions of Hell and of the future

When I think of the past there's always a vision of Hell lurking. But when I think of the future, I see the ubermensch and the glory of his kingdom.

Dante, I think, committed a crude blunder when, with a terror-inspiring ingenuity, he placed above the gateway of his hell the inscription: "I too was created by eternal love"—at any rate, there would be more justification for placing above the gateway to the Christian Paradise and its "eternal bliss" the inscription :"I too was created by eternal hatred"—provided a truth may be placed above the gateway to a lie! For what precisely is it that constitutes the bliss of this Paradise? We can devine this ourselves, but it's better to have it expressly told to us by an authority not to be underestimated in such matters, Thomas Aquinas, the great teacher and saint [and, may I add, favorite philosopher of those Christians who would seek to prove God's existence via reason]: "Beati in regno coelesti," he says, meek as a lamb, "videbunt poenas damnatorum, ut beatitudo illis magis complaceat." ["The blessed in the kingdom of heaven will see the punishments of the damned, in order that their bliss be more delightful for them."]

-Nietzsche, Genealogy of Morals, first essay, 15

'What a wonderful time I'm having now that I can see all the suffering those Nietzscheans are going through!'
*cough* WEIRDO *cough*

and?

Note the edit.

do you understand that Nietzsche has become some sort of idol for you, Impious?

No more so than my own spirit. And anyway, I quote only that which I know is true.

right,

but tell me, if you had to expose your OWN ideas, the thoughts that occur to YOUR spirit only, would you be capable of doing it?

is there something in your mind that is not 'Nietzschean'?

or you're one of those that believe Nietzsche already said everything?

Impious wrote:

placing above the gateway to the Christian Paradise and its "eternal bliss" the inscription :"I too was created by eternal hatred

I have been to the gate.
The indelible inscription reads:
There can be no joy in heaven while one is left suffering in hell.

Drone wrote:

right,

but tell me, if you had to expose your OWN ideas, the thoughts that occur to YOUR spirit only, would you be capable of doing it?

I do so all the time. Here's one tiny tidbit:

Against Superfluous "Holy Lies"
Where truth is sufficient, there is no need for "holy lies". In relation to this one would do well to consider Paul's monster lie. Paul made of faith an inescapable obligation- his spirit engraved in stone the words 'TRUTH IS NEVER SUFFICIENT'. Subsequently, all kinds of "holy lies" came to be seen as necessary- one was in need of them at all times. Everything veracious was henceforth known as poison, evil- and it's avatar, the man of knowledge, was condemned. There is little else as infernal for us thinkers.

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is there something in your mind that is not 'Nietzschean'?

Not bloody much.

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or you're one of those that believe Nietzsche already said everything?

Certainly not.

PS You really shouldn't be so presumptuous.

PPS I added something to the OP.

MagnetMan wrote:

Impious wrote:

placing above the gateway to the Christian Paradise and its "eternal bliss" the inscription :"I too was created by eternal hatred

I have been to the gate.
The indelible inscription reads:
There can be no joy in heaven while one is left suffering in hell.

You're obviously not a Christian then, I take it? (At least, not according to the Saints.)

Impious wrote:

'What a wonderful time I'm having now that I can see all the suffering those Nietzscheans are going through!'
*cough* WEIRDO *cough*

i must admit that you are funny

at least your posts are not a bore to read.

but tell me, why do you call 'presumptuos' everybody who talks about your idolizing Nietzsche?

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You're obviously not a Christian then, I take it? (At least, not according to the Saints.)

a Christian is everything MM would like to be, i guess...

Drone wrote:

but tell me, why do you call 'presumptuos' everybody who talks about your idolizing Nietzsche?

Why do you presume that I do?

The old fashioned orthodox Christians served their time and have all gone to heaven.
The New Age Christian is far more eclectic.
We have all been to hell and back
the sign there reads:
"Beware,. Slippery slope."

In fact if Nietzsche were alive today
he would not recognize us
and have nothing to say

MagnetMan wrote:

We have all been to hell and back
the sign there reads:
"Beware,. Slippery slope."

"Beware, Slippery Slope and Wildcats" more like it.

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In fact if Nietzsche were alive today
he would not recognize us
and have nothing to say

I reckon he'd sound a bit like me, to be honest (only more strict and boring). And he'd likely urge you to denounce the Church regularly and publicly, indeed to harden the fuck up in general.

Impious wrote:

MagnetMan wrote:

In fact if Nietzsche were alive today
he would not recognize us
and have nothing to say

I reckon he'd sound a bit like me, to be honest (only more strict and boring). And he'd likely urge you to denounce the Church regularly and publicly, indeed to harden the fuck up in general.

Definitely boring.
In fact irrelevant.
The new devil is pseudo-intellectualism

Huh? The truth is irrelevant? Riiiight....

PS I added something to my last post.

Which I have just deleted because I forgot about the whole American spirit thing.

PS: 'Pseudo-intellectualism'- you mean like Freud, anti-Nietzsche, anti-Deleuze, 'The Truth' etc?

Impious wrote:

Huh? The truth is irrelevant? Riiiight....

What seemed like Truth during Nietzsche's short and tragic and ill-informed life is no longer the whole truth and nothing but the truth..
Christianity has evolved along with science.
Nobody but a few rednecks believe that Jesus was God anymore than you or I
Nor do we believe in everlasting hell.
Heaven is not some place else
we have never left it
It is a state of mind
only crazies choose to think like Nietzshe

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PS I added something to my last post.

Bullshit! Nietzsche had no idea of who we are.
He was dead before Planck published.

Impious wrote:

PS: 'Pseudo-intellectualism'- you mean like Freud, anti-Nietzsche, anti-Deleuze, 'The Truth' etc?

Any argument about our reason for being that have been made after Christ and before quantum theory
are redundant, out-dated. old-fashioned, misleading and should be relegated to the curiosity shelf.

I reckon those spineless spiritual slaves who act like they know everything are the real problem. Their solution is imprudent; such selfish, short-sighted wisdom is against the future, which ought to be blessed.

MagnetMan wrote:

Impious wrote:

PS: 'Pseudo-intellectualism'- you mean like Freud, anti-Nietzsche, anti-Deleuze, 'The Truth' etc?

Any argument about our reason for being that have been made after Christ and before quantum theory
are redundant, out-dated. old-fashioned, misleading and should be relegated to the curiosity shelf.

What do mean by 'our reason for being'. Do you mean something like the big bang? Or do you mean our goal?

MagnetMan wrote:

The old fashioned orthodox Christians served their time and have all gone to heaven.
The New Age Christian is far more eclectic.
We have all been to hell and back
the sign there reads:
"Beware,. Slippery slope."

In fact if Nietzsche were alive today
he would not recognize us
and have nothing to say

and yet you're still not welcome
in a traditional Christian church
they still preach that me and you
are both destined to hell
why don't you go and fight them
instead of preaching to our deaf ears here?

Impious wrote:

Why do you presume that i do?

don't you?

Just to change the topic a bit, for of a break, you know-

I reckon if I worshipped my Yahweh he'd say in his cute croaky voice something like 'Don't be so pathetic!'

And, you know, how Higg's disturbance is unaffected by range...

Anyhow, now I'm crapping on...

Drone wrote:

don't you?

No.

impious wrote:

What do mean by 'our reason for being'. Do you mean something like the big bang? Or do you mean our goal?

Birth and destination are part of the equation.
Infant naivete to Cosmic sage
Nietzsche was articulating the teenage rebellious phase.
Pure pseudo-intellectual daring. "Fuck you God!" I am my own man,
very necessary, but could have been done with more respect

Drone wrote:

and yet you're still not welcome
in a traditional Christian church
they still preach that me and you
are both destined to hell
why don't you go and fight them
instead of preaching to our deaf ears here?

It may have to come to that.
200 million New Agers
will hopefully forge the new path
without yet another internal inquisition