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MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Tue Mar 03, 2009 10:45 am | |
| Africa is the common homeland of all mankind
Africa also remains the last living repository of precisely what went on in our prehistoric periods.
The San Bushmen of the Kalahari are among the last remnants of our Stone Age culture. Rural tribal Bantu groups are among the last remnants of our Bronze Age culture. I spend half my life studying both the San and the Bantu tribes and have constructed our entire forgotten past from those researches.
One can argue that I am making suppositions. That is true. But I have reason for faith in my interpretations
Decades of direct experience on the ground among those surviving cultures, clearly reveal the social organizational imperatives that forced both family group hunter/gatherers and clan group agriculture's to remain within prescribed survival parameters. Comparisons with existing shamanist practices as far apart as Siberia and North America with those practiced in Africa, tend to confirm basic Bronze Age cultural similarities.
From these researches I have defined the following.
The Stone Age is defined by Hunter/gatherer family groups who survive via a social ethic of meticulous sharing, and an intuitive spiritual sense that Nature is a conscious organism, jealously guarding against destructive trespass. They are all Animists
The Bronze Age is defined by an agricultural existence, extended family cooperation, oral-based communication and clan totemism. Ancestral worship is practiced via the medium of psychically gifted shamans.
These fundamental social and spiritual realities are the the common prehistoric denominators that guided the development of all human cultures.
It is from that common foundation that all Iron Age nations were formed and developed individual script-based industrial organizations.
All of that prehistoric development is lost in all but the remotest regions of the world.
Three early English pioneer colonists were witness to the federation of the Nguni clans under the despotic rule of the warlord, Shaka Zulu, in the late 18th and early 19th Century. Their surviving diaries describing that momentous event provided me with a clear window into the exact moment a Bronze Age culture came to an end, and how an Iron Age of national organization began.
The on-going survival of a ruling dynasty also reveals why the need for and introduction of orthodox scriptures were a national imperative It made me realize that by learning the mechanics of grammar via scriptural missionaries, the precise spiritual stimulus was created to sustain conscientious craftsmanship as well as engage the human intellect in abstract reasoning, necessary for a further Age of scientific determinism and religious protest to arise out of the Iron Age.
Thus the Iron Age is defined by national industrialization with conscientious craftsmanship religiously sustained by orthodox Scriptural observances
The Steel Age is defined by international colonization, scientific intellectual self-determinism and religious protestation
This logical evolutionary progression of human development through four distinct Ages of mass changes of consciousness is common to all developed cultures.
With the introduction of the nuclear theory, which explains the relationship between orthodox religion and the reasons for protestation, all indications are the we now face a 5th mass shift of human consciousness into the formation of a Nuclear Age Global Cooperative, with us all involved in sustainable planet management and practicing an ontological form of spirituality.
If you are interested, the exact circumstances of my research can be found in Psyche-Genetics - The Metaphysical Implications of Human Evolution. If you PM me I will give you the link. | |
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| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:21 am | |
| - Quote :
- I spend half my life studying both the San and the Bantu tribes and have constructed our entire forgotten past from those researches.
how can you construct the past from the present, surely that half of your life would have been better spent constructing the future. in maybe constructing yourself a bridge out of this new age bullshit. |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:50 pm | |
| - Guest wrote:
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- I spend half my life studying both the San and the Bantu tribes and have constructed our entire forgotten past from those researches.
how can you construct the past from the present, surely that half of your life would have been better spent constructing the future. in maybe constructing yourself a bridge out of this new age bullshit. The present is predicated on past events a good detective can find enough clues in the present to reconstruct those past events Is that not how a murder is uncovered even a cold case 20,000 years old? | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Sat Mar 07, 2009 3:17 am | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
The present is predicated on past events a good detective can find enough clues in the present to reconstruct those past events
Is that not how a murder is uncovered even a cold case 20,000 years old? MM traditions are carried forward in every society with an unbroken evolutionary trail, and the slower the advent of technology in that society the more realistic the expectation of "close to original" customs being practiced at present. So there is credence to your line of thought regarding the tribal cultures you have observed. In respect to your miriad of research and your defining of the 4 ages of man you could have saved yourself the trip and half a life time by going to the library where scholars plagiarized your incredible extrapolations in primary school text books. The fifth age you predict is on it's way as well, each leap in technology brings a new age. The driving force that brings a predictability to the social mechanics of each age is human nature, greed and an exclusivity seeking ego means that in all ages to come and that have passed you can bet that the human motive is involved in all transactions. Regarding the solving of a 20,000 yo murder you are correct, you look for motive and that is all you require to find a culprit, ask who was to gain from the demise. It is the point at which all murder investigations have been carried out from day one. MM you include masses of verbiage in your threads but very little substance other than outrageous statements or alternately accepted mundane facts presented as a revelation. No offense intended. | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:39 am | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
MM d. In respect to your miriad of research and your defining of the 4 ages of man you could have saved yourself the trip and half a life time by going to the library where scholars plagiarized your incredible extrapolations in primary school text books. I prefer going to the horse and getting my facts direct from his mouth I use the library only as a reference ion that process I have confirmed existing truths dispelled myths and old wives tales and uncovered much that remained buried and have emerged a wiser man than all the libraries on earth Let me test you and your reference libraries on a couple of the many vital points of conscious evolution that no library has in stock 1. Define how a hominid became humanly conscious? 2. Man started off as a timid primate who cannot hold his sphincter in a sudden burst of danger So tell me the origins of courage? | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:37 pm | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
- Sonofgloin wrote:
MM d. In respect to your miriad of research and your defining of the 4 ages of man you could have saved yourself the trip and half a life time by going to the library where scholars plagiarized your incredible extrapolations in primary school text books.
Let me test you and your reference libraries on a couple of the many vital points of conscious evolution that no library has in stock
1. Define how a hominid became humanly conscious?
2. Man started off as a timid primate who cannot hold his sphincter in a sudden burst of danger So tell me the origins of courage? Self actualization is a term better suited to your meaning I believe than human consciousness. That is the ability of our brain to think in abstract terms as opposed to the imprint and limited reasoning capabilities of the lesser creatures we share the world with. The new brain or the fore brain is the center for this abstract consciousness and we developed that when we brought more protein into our diets. Consider the supremely practical limbs and digits that we have evolved and our overall dexterity. No other creature on earth has the right combination of limb placement and body scale to allow them to manipulate their enviroment in the way we can even if they had Einsteins IQ. Did our brain evolve to take advantage of our physical capabilities, or did we evolve physically to take advantage of a larger brain, we can not know for sure. Although the response from the genes to changing internal dimensions is a given exampled by the straightening up of the the fore head to accomodate the fore brain, it is all summation. Where this leaves us in regard to the evolution of self actualization no one can answer difinitively but our need for resolution is evident by the plethora of religions we invent to console our consciousness. Re the origins of courage, it evolved with self actualization. All creatures have a fight or flight response built in for their own survival but only the higher creatures of our earth have the conscious thought process of self sacrifice for another creature. Once again there is no difinitive answer but it links back to the earliest societies of man who buried and mourned their dead. MM you attempt to justify your arguement with questions boardering on the etherial that really are up for grabs and anyones guess. Your mind is an interesting place I believe there is quite a tale to tell in respect to as how you got it to where it is. | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:53 pm | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
Self actualization is a term better suited to your meaning I believe than human consciousness. Self realization is the standard term among metaphysicians Action is automatic analysis of action is the process of conscious reflection the intuitive aspect of consciousness then determines whether any action was ethical if not guilt is registered and atonement called for If the atonement is not executed the guilt is then buried in the sub-conscious The rest of your answer about how and why human consciousness developed reveals a one-sided process of analytical deduction there is zero inspiration consequently your answer leaves us in the dark Should I reveal it you will find my answer far more holistic And your idea of how man developed courage is naively off the mark You intimate that it is all supposition My research reveals otherwise I can supply the exact time and circumstance that forced man to get a grip on his sphincter And also explain in a common sense way exactly how that and why that forced our specie into a radical change in social organization and served to determine the future course of human development None of that is in any anthropological study except mine So the next question is: are you prepared to let go of your patronizing attitude and learn more about yourself? | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Mon Mar 09, 2009 1:26 am | |
| [quote="MagnetMan"] - Sonofgloin wrote:
Self actualization is a term better suited to your meaning I believe than human consciousness. - Quote :
- Self realization is the standard term among metaphysicians
MM that may be the case but I was replying to your question to define how a hominid became humanly conscious. Psychological self actualiization is defined as the process of uncovering, expressing and developing your inner nature. A person who is moved by their need to "grow" psychologically is in the process of self actualizing, self actualizing is a way of being by continually becoming more youself ,more human, more god like. Whereas your response of self realizatin pertains to an enlightenment and esscalated awareness of the world around you and your response to it (the basis of metaphysics). Although both are terms related to non empirical studies your term is further from the source than mine in relation to the question you asked. - Quote :
- Action is automatic
analysis of action is the process of conscious reflection the intuitive aspect of consciousness then determines whether any action was ethical if not guilt is registered and atonement called for If the atonement is not executed the guilt is then buried in the sub-conscious MM if you were in a quiz I bet your special subject would be "the bleeding obvious" - Quote :
- The rest of your answer
about how and why human consciousness developed reveals a one-sided process of analytical deduction there is zero inspiration consequently your answer leaves us in the dark I said it was all supposition and I presented no answers, just pertinant facts. - Quote :
- Should I reveal it
you will find my answer far more holistic. You should, you should. - Quote :
- And your idea of how man developed courage
is naively off the mark You intimate that it is all supposition My research reveals otherwise I can supply the exact time and circumstance that forced man to get a grip on his sphincter Ok MM I am ready.......lets hear it. - Quote :
- And also explain in a common sense way
exactly how that and why that forced our specie into a radical change in social organization and served to determine the future course of human development Untill we have time travell we can't know difinitively "how and why" but that is why we have philosophy and metaphysics to examine the cause and effect and motivators to human interaction with the reassuring thought that what ever we think we can never be proven wrong. - Quote :
- None of that is in any anthropological study
except mine Once again the bleeding obvious. - Quote :
- So the next question is:
are you prepared to let go of your patronizing attitude and learn more about yourself? Probably not, I am about as self actualized as I am going to get. | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:59 am | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
MM that may be the case but I was replying to your question to define how a hominid became humanly conscious. Psychological self actualiization is defined as the process of uncovering, expressing and developing your inner nature. So explain what act uncovered a hominid's first inclination toward humanness. - Quote :
- Action is automatic
analysis of action is the process of conscious reflection the intuitive aspect of consciousness then determines whether any action was ethical if not guilt is registered and atonement called for If the atonement is not executed the guilt is then buried in the sub-conscious - Quote :
- MM if you were in a quiz I bet your special subject would be "the bleeding obvious"
If those dual modes of comprehension were that obvious, why are they not applied in government schools? - MM wrote:
- ]And your idea of how man developed courage
is naively off the mark You intimate that it is all supposition My research reveals otherwise I can supply the exact time and circumstance that forced man to get a grip on his sphincter - Quote :
- Ok MM I am ready.......lets hear it.
No you are not ready yet. I will simply be sewing seeds on barren ground you need a more fertile imagination - MM wrote:
- ] And also explain in a common sense way
exactly how the evocation of the courage ethic and why that initiation forced our specie into a radical change in social organization and served to determine the future course of human development - Quote :
- Untill we have time travell we can't know difinitively "how and why" but that is why we have philosophy and metaphysics to examine the cause and effect and motivators to human interaction with the reassuring thought that what ever we think we can never be proven wrong.
You are reaching verdicts without bothering to hear any evidence which makes me question the sincerity of your interest in the subject It is acceptable in a court of law that even if no physical evidence can be produced, if enough circumstantial evidence is present. a reliable verdict can result. I have more than enough circumstantial evidence I also have live evidence to prove my theory on the origins of courage as well as the origins of war. - MM wrote:
- None of that is in any anthropological study
except mine - Quote :
- Once again the bleeding obvious.
Well then since you know the answer obvious and subjective as it may be I would like to hear it. | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:46 pm | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
So explain what act uncovered a hominid's first inclination toward humanness. MM define humanness please. - Quote :
- Action is automatic
analysis of action is the process of conscious reflection the intuitive aspect of consciousness then determines whether any action was ethical if not guilt is registered and atonement called for If the atonement is not executed the guilt is then buried in the sub-conscious If those dual modes of comprehension were that obvious, why are they not applied in government schools? MM it's a thought process that we conduct ever day, did we do the right thing, did we do the wrong thing, will we loose something if we recant, can we stand the psychological trauma of battleing with our own personal moral compass. There is nothing in this obvious thought process that pertains to the school system other than our interaction with our peers. I is a psychological quandry not scholastic. - Quote :
No you are not ready yet. I will simply be sewing seeds on barren ground you need a more fertile imagination What a cop out, no answers just escapology. - Quote :
- You are reaching verdicts
without bothering to hear any evidence which makes me question the sincerity of your interest in the subject Once again you address nothing with this statement. - Quote :
- It is acceptable in a court of law
that even if no physical evidence can be produced, if enough circumstantial evidence is present. a reliable verdict can result. I have more than enough circumstantial evidence I also have live evidence to prove my theory on the origins of courage as well as the origins of war. You are correct and I will accept circumstantial evidence but you wil not give it. Telling me you have the information but I am not ready to receive it yet is bullshit (no offense) - Quote :
- None of that is in any anthropological study
except mine Well then since you know the answer obvious and subjective as it may be I would like to hear it. How can I know your personal studies of the subject if you do not blab. All you say is "I have answers that are not published" what good is that if you do not share? | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Mon Mar 09, 2009 4:35 pm | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
How can I know your personal studies of the subject if you do not blab. All you say is "I have answers that are not published" what good is that if you do not share? You are as slippery as an eel, son first you tell my theories are 'bleeding obvious" then you grumble when I don't explain them This is how it went: - MM wrote:
And your idea of how man developed courage is naively off the mark You intimate that it is all supposition My research reveals otherwise I can supply the exact time and circumstance that forced man to get a grip on his sphincter
None of that is in any anthropological study except mine - sonofgolion wrote:
- Once again the bleeding obvious.
Untill we have time travell we can't know difinitively "how and why" but that is why we have philosophy and metaphysics to examine the cause and effect and motivators to human interaction with the reassuring thought that what ever we think we can never be proven wrong. I contradict this by saying: - MM wrote:
- I can also explain in a common sense way
exactly how the evocation of courage and why that initiation forced our specie into a radical change in social organization and served to determine the future course of human development And now you are accusing me for not informing you. How about a little politeness before i discuss 40 years of hard work in the field and then have to listen to you dismiss it. Original ideas go through three phases 1. Ridicule 2. Doubt 3. Oh! It is self-evident Are we at the doubt stage yet? Or is it still ridicule? I can assure you the answer and all its subsequent social ramifications IS self-evident but as always only after the fact. and those facts and they ARE facts have never been revealed by any other anthropologist This general ignorance about how man became human and how he developed his basic ethics is the reason why I have such distain for all philosophers. How can you construct a portrait of human behavior iof you do not know the very foundations upon which our human character were built? It is for this reason that after 100,000 generations 'of conscious development we still go to war over religion politics race you name it Our collective self knowledge is superficially dysfunctional My work gets to the very roots of our social and spiritual behavior It is the first work ever to do this in such a fundamental manner Certainly I expect initial rejection even ridicule and will probably only enmjoy posthumous recognition so be it I will die satisfied that I did my homework | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Tue Mar 10, 2009 2:36 am | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
How about a little politeness before i discuss 40 years of hard work in the field and then have to listen to you dismiss it.
Are we at the doubt stage yet? Or is it still ridicule?
This general ignorance about how man became human and how he developed his basic ethics is the reason why I have such distain for all philosophers.
How can you construct a portrait of human behavior iof you do not know the very foundations upon which our human character were built?
Our collective self knowledge is superficially dysfunctional My work gets to the very roots of our social and spiritual behavior
Certainly I expect initial rejection even ridicule and will probably only enmjoy posthumous recognition so be it I will die satisfied that I did my homework MM, I certainly did not entertain the sensation of ridicule when I have replied to you. But I did enjoy pondering on the best factual replies i could muster to your questions coupled with barbed spikes of incitement. I consider you intelligent, and perhaps I considered you harder than you are, this type of barbed banter is a social pre requisite where I hail from and I will attempt to tone it down in future, even if the barb makes me chuckle and that is the point of the barb not ridicule. How could I dismiss 40 years of observation, and passion, but we are going to disagree on many things. | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:45 pm | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
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How could I dismiss 40 years of observation, and passion, but we are going to disagree on many things. You admit then that there is no general knowledge or even generally recognized suppositions on when, how and what was the very first dim thought that made us human or when, how and why genuine courage over and above fight/flee originated? And also admit that if anybody can provide an original and reasonable answer to those questions and thereby spike a constructive debate on a previous blank in our records regarding the evolution of human consciousness is doing us all a service? If the answer is yes to both questions I will gladly dispense with the sparring and get on with it. If the answer is no Then please supply the general knowledge you have. | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:32 am | |
| [quote="MagnetMan"] - Sonofgloin wrote:
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How could I dismiss 40 years of observation, and passion, but we are going to disagree on many things. - Quote :
- You admit then
that there is no general knowledge or even generally recognized suppositions on when, how and what was the very first dim thought that made us human or when, how and why genuine courage over and above fight/flee originated? MM, I admit nothing...........and my recognition of your 40 years punching the clock in metaphysics and such suggests that I will listen to you because you have an inquiring mind and that you must be able to pass on to me something after 40 years of observation, but it's not a validation of your thought process. In regard to your no general knowledge and no supposition statement, it is not true, these things do exist unlike (my opinion based on the Darwin theory) the holy grail of your quest to find the moment that ape became human. It was transitional over eons with dribs and drabs of further consciousness evolving over thousands of generations. If you want a single point of time that the brain became enlightened start researching into alien impregnation of our early ancestors because if that happened that would be the point at which we became human in one big bang, or birth as some suggest. - Quote :
- And also admit
that if anybody can provide an original and reasonable answer to those questions and thereby spike a constructive debate on a previous blank in our records regarding the evolution of human consciousness is doing us all a service? Yes I will admit to that, but my previous statement still stands.......I admit nothing. - Quote :
- If the answer is yes to both questions
I will gladly dispense with the sparring and get on with it.
If the answer is no Then please supply the general knowledge you have. MM, I certainly do want you to further explain your thoughts on human consciousness, as I only have part time ponderings on the subject, but I have satisfied myself thus far that it was and is still an evolving consciousness and no single point of time delivered an enlightenment. | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:39 pm | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
MM, I admit nothing...........and my recognition of your 40 years punching the clock in metaphysics and such suggests that I will listen to you because you have an inquiring mind and that you must be able to pass on to me something after 40 years of observation, but it\'s not a validation of your thought process. I certainly do want you to further explain your thoughts on human consciousness, as I only have part time ponderings on the subject, but I have satisfied myself thus far that it was and is still an evolving consciousness and no single point of time delivered an enlightenment. That is a fair enough compromise Let me see if I can reasonably extend the statements and explanation you give below - Quote :
- In regard to your no general knowledge and no supposition statement, it is not true, these things do exist unlike (my opinion based on the Darwin theory) the holy grail of your quest to find the moment that ape became human. It was transitional over eons with dribs and drabs of further consciousness evolving over thousands of generations. If you want a single point of time that the brain became enlightened start researching into alien impregnation of our early ancestors because if that happened that would be the point at which we became human in one big bang, or birth as some suggest.
My theory contradicts this significantly. We know that around 2.5 million years ago, human consciousness made a technological break-through. Stone tool-making suddenly emerged. Prior to that nothing. What-ever rudimentary tools and implements used by hominid family groups before that date were simply selected and picked up and used, un-worked, where available much like chimps still do today. Digging sticks and wooden spears were more than likely roughly prepared, but there is no surviving evidence. We know that for some 6 to 8 million years the cubic capacity of the cerebral cortex in the hominid brain kept enlarging itself. Since 1973 we have known from work by Roger Sperry in lateral specialization of cerebral function in surgically separated brains that\" The main theme to emerge is that there appear to be two modes of thinking, verbal and non-verbal, represented rather separately in left and right hemispheres, respectively...\"Sperry\'s initial findings on the separate functions of the two sides of the cortex were qualified by J.E. Bogen at UCLA Parallel Ways of Knowingintellect...intuition convergent...divergent digital... analogic secondary...primary abstract...concrete directed..free analytic...relational rational...intuitive objective..subjective My theory is that around 2.5 million years ago, enough neurons had evolved in the hominid cerebral cortex for a dim spark of communication to take place between the two hemispheres. I believe that, just as an idea suddenly pops into mind, there was a distinct moment back there in prehistoric time when the very first inspiration took place in a primate psyche - and in that moment an ape-man, became a hu-man. Allow me to apply my intuition and recreate that moment. It is night. A hominid crouches in the shadows watching the family group at some distance a spark of energy jumps across a synapse within his brain he is dimly conscious that there is space between him and the group there is a dim sense of separationTHEY are THERE HE is HERE In this way for the first time in 3 billion years of organic evolution a consciousness experiences itself as separate from the rest of nature. An EGO is bornAnd its birth is to have a profound impact on the whole of nature I will continue if you are interested.
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| | | Unreasonable Animated Voice
Number of posts : 728 Age : 41 Location : Purgatory Registration date : 2008-12-13
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 12:44 pm | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
- I will continue if you are interested.
Yes, continue, by all means! | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:22 pm | |
| - Unreasonable wrote:
- MagnetMan wrote:
- I will continue if you are interested.
Yes, continue, by all means! With the emergence of the first dim ego I place the birth of man at 2.5 million years BCE I apply 25 years to a generation and say that our specie has been evolving a human consciousness for 100,000 generations Having arrived at this conclusion that humanness is defined by a self-reflective consciousness and how and when that might have happened my next thought was: Why would Nature work for 3 billion years to produce a single specie with a separated consciousness? What was the survival purpose of having an ego as an identity? Especially one which can be totally selfish infinitely destructive and now has the power to destroy all those eons of organic investment? That question is at the base of all human inquiry. It took me years to find Nature's answer It came in a moment of inspiration I had made a difficult safari into the remote fastness of the Central Kalahari Bushman Reserve I was sitting around a campfire watching a Bushman family group prepare supper That same afternoon one of the younger males had killed a springbok it had been skinned and spitted over the fire when the meat was ready the elder male ceremoniously took the carcass off the spit and handed it to the young hunter He then cut it up into twenty three equal portions and handed each portion to each member of the group In that moment of meticulous sharing I saw that young mans ego extend beyond his narrow view of himself It encompassed the entire group In that moment of sharing he became a giantEgo taught us to share meticulous sharing accelerated our survival capacity far beyond the rest of our primate brethren Sharing thus formed our base social ethic. It is the foundation of family values It is the foundation of our intelligence And when you mess with that ethical foundation by allowing unequal sharing among the larger national consciousness you create unending dissension I have to go but I will continue | |
| | | Unreasonable Animated Voice
Number of posts : 728 Age : 41 Location : Purgatory Registration date : 2008-12-13
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 1:33 pm | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
- And when you mess with that ethical foundation
by allowing unequal sharing among the larger national consciousness you create unending dissension
I have to go but I will continue ...which not ironically-leads us to 'dissension' philosophy forums. I look forward to your explanations MM; I knew you were hiding something from the moment I started reading you. Do you account for warfare and in-group, out-group sexual reproduction too?? Don't let me throw you off-course though! | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:05 pm | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
We know that around 2.5 million years ago, human consciousness made a technological break-through. Stone tool-making suddenly emerged. Prior to that nothing. What-ever rudimentary tools and implements used by hominid family groups before that date were simply selected and picked up and used, un-worked, where available much like chimps still do today. Digging sticks and wooden spears were more than likely roughly prepared, but there is no surviving evidence. Yes, ok - Quote :
- We know that for some 6 to 8 million years the cubic capacity of the cerebral cortex in the hominid brain kept enlarging itself.
Since 1973 we have known from work by Roger Sperry in lateral specialization of cerebral function in surgically separated brains that\" The main theme to emerge is that there appear to be two modes of thinking, verbal and non-verbal, represented rather separately in left and right hemispheres, respectively...\ Yes, ok - Quote :
- Parallel Ways of Knowing
intellect...intuition convergent...divergent digital... analogic secondary...primary abstract...concrete directed..free analytic...relational rational...intuitive objective..subjective Ying,yang. ok - Quote :
- My theory is that around 2.5 million years ago, enough neurons had evolved in the hominid cerebral cortex for a dim spark of communication to take place between the two hemispheres.
I believe that, just as an idea suddenly pops into mind, there was a distinct moment back there in prehistoric time when the very first inspiration took place in a primate psyche - and in that moment an ape-man, became a hu-man. MM, here I differ from you ,but agree(sounds weird but it works for me). The corpus callosum is the white tissue that joins the two hemispheres, the width of the tissue determines the load of information it can carry between the two hemispheres. Strangely females have a wider CC than males, making them technically superior in information transfer than we guys. I believe that spark you speak of happened but it of itself is not the cradle of humanity as it was evolved and merely took it's place in the line of consciousness events that evolved as the brain evolved. - Quote :
- It is night.
A hominid crouches in the shadows watching the family group at some distance a spark of energy jumps across a synapse within his brain he is dimly conscious that there is space between him and the group there is a dim sense of separation THEY are THERE HE is HERE Good moment, great example of conscious awakening and the probability of the occurance is maximum. Although if we are talking cause and effect, you are describing effect, I want to know cause. | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Wed Mar 11, 2009 11:22 pm | |
| - MagnetMan wrote:
Sharing thus formed our base social ethic. It is the foundation of family values It is the foundation of our intelligence
And when you mess with that ethical foundation by allowing unequal sharing among the larger national consciousness you create unending dissension MM, absolutely right, but I have considered the same thought but from a 180 degree stance. I have always considered social and psychological exclusivity the bane of humanity. Which equates to the same end..."I don't want to share with you" but on the broader pallet. | |
| | | Unreasonable Animated Voice
Number of posts : 728 Age : 41 Location : Purgatory Registration date : 2008-12-13
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:33 am | |
| The cause was a genetic brain 'defect'. You could count it as a 'mutation'. Some would call it 'evolution'. It has no cause because the event is infinitely-linked through time; it also has no true effect. It just is.Therefore it seems this first Manimal became Man when his brain divided into two distinct halves. Prior to the hypothesized event; the early Manimal may have had a singular cognition, unable to differentiate between I & Thou. - Quote :
- Ich und Du, usually translated as I and Thou, is a book by Martin Buber, published in 1923, and first translated to English in 1937. Buber's main proposition is that we may address existence in two ways: that of the "I" towards an "It", towards an object that is separate in itself, which we either use or experience; and that of the 'I' towards 'Thou', in which we move into existence in a relationship without bounds. One of the major themes of the book is that human life finds its meaningfulness in relationships. All of our relationships, Buber contends, bring us ultimately into relationship with God, who is the Eternal Thou.
Buber uses two pairs of words to describe two fundamentally different types of relationship: "I-Thou" and "I-It."
For "I-It" relationships, the "It" refers to entities as discrete objects drawn from a defined set (e.g. he, she or any other objective entity defined by what makes it measurably different from other living entities). It can be said that "I" have as many distinct and different relationships with each "It" as there are "Its" in my life.
By contrast, the "I" in the "I-Thou" is a separate concept. This is the "I" that does not objectify any "It" but rather acknowledges a living relationship instead. The "I" in "I-Thou" is radically different from the "I" in "I-It." "I-Thou" relationships are sustained in the spirit and mind of an "I" for however long the feeling or idea of relationship is the dominant mode of perception. A person sitting next to a complete stranger on a park bench may enter into an "I-Thou" relationship with the stranger merely by beginning to think positively about people in general. The stranger is a person as well, and gets instantaneously drawn into a mental or spiritual relationship with the person whose positive thoughts necessarily include the stranger as a member of the set of persons about whom positive thoughts are directed. It is not necessary for the stranger to have any idea that he is being drawn into an "I-Thou" relationship for such a relationship to arise.
Despite the separation of "I" from the "Its" and "Thous" in this very sentence describing the relationship, Buber's two notions of "I" require attachment to a word partner. Despite our splitting of these individual terms for the purposes of analysis, there is to Buber's mind either an "I-Thou" or an "I-It" relationship. Every sentence man uses with I, refers to the two pairs: I-Thou and I-It. This instance is also interchangeable with Thou and It which would refer to I. It is bounded by others and It can only exist through this attachment because for every object there is another object. Thou on the other hand, has no limitations. When Thou is spoken, the speaker has no thing or has nothing which means that Thou is abstract. The speaker yet “takes his stand in relation”.
What does it mean when a person experiences the world? Man goes around the world hauling out knowledge from the world. These experiences present man with only words of It, He, She and It with contrast to I-Thou. What this means is that the experiences are all physical and do involve a great deal of spirituality. Previously I mentioned that the world is twofold. What this means is that our experience of the world has two aspects: the aspect of experience, which is perceived by I-It, and the aspect of relation, which is perceived by I-Thou.
Buber uses an example of a tree and presents five separate relations. The first relation is looking at the tree as a picture with the color and details through the aesthetic perception. The second relation is identifying the tree as movement. The movement includes the flow of the juices through the veins of the tree, the breathing of the leaves, the roots sucking the water, the never-ending activities between the tree and earth and air, and the growth of the tree. The third relation is categorizing the tree by its type, in other words, studying it. The fourth relation is the ability to look at something from a different perspective. “I can subdue its actual presence and form so sternly that I recognize it only as an expression of law.” The fifth relation is interpreting the experience of the tree in mathematical terms. Through all of these relations, the tree is still an object that occupies time and space and still has the characteristics that make it what it is.[1]
If "Thou" is used in the context of an encounter with a human being, the human being is not He, She, or bound by anything. You do not experience the human being; rather you can only relate to him or her in the sacredness of the I-Thou relation. The I-Thou relationship cannot be explained; it simply is. Nothing can intervene in the I-Thou relationship. I-Thou is not a means to some object or goal, but a definitive relationship involving the whole being of each subject. The inevitable fate of Thou is to become an It.
Love is a subject-to-subject relationship. Like the I-Thou relation, love is not a relation of subject to object, but rather a relation in which both members in the relationship are subjects and share the unity of being. The ultimate Thou is God. In the I-Thou relation there are no barriers, and this means that man can relate directly to God. God is ever-present in human consciousness, and manifests himself in music, literature, and other forms of culture. As previously mentioned, Thou is inevitably addressed as It. Because of this, the I-Thou relation becomes the being of the I-Thou relation. God is now spoken to directly not spoken about.
God is the worldwide relation to all relations. There is no world that disconnects man from God. What this is a world of It alone. The individual’s action is guided by I-Thou. "One who truly meets the world goes out also to God."
Coincidentally, Buber's I and Thou (Ich und Du) was published in the same year as Sigmund Freuds The Ego and the Id (Das Ich und das Es lit. "The I and the It"). I can personally-guarantee you folks that that was no "coincidence" at all. I wonder where Freud and Buber connect... | |
| | | Sonofgloin Active Idealist
Number of posts : 54 Location : Sydney Registration date : 2009-02-17
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:18 am | |
| - Unreasonable wrote:
Love is a subject-to-subject relationship. Like the I-Thou relation, love is not a relation of subject to object, but rather a relation in which both members in the relationship are subjects and share the unity of being. The ultimate Thou is God. In the I-Thou relation there are no barriers, and this means that man can relate directly to God. God is ever-present in human consciousness, and manifests himself in music, literature, and other forms of culture. As previously mentioned, Thou is inevitably addressed as It. Because of this, the I-Thou relation becomes the being of the I-Thou relation. God is now spoken to directly not spoken about. U from the early 19th century as philosophy and enlightenment accelerated by literacy became the vocation of the free thinker, Ich und Du was identified as the point of reference from which to study interpersonal actions and reactions. Quite right too. But I have doubts as to whether you can attribute love to the Sie bin ich,Ich bin sie outcome. Love is chemically driven and the conscious has no domain there. So the selflessness that love imparts is not a conscious act, not an act of free will and therfore not the ultimate example of selflessness.....just a thought, what do you think? | |
| | | MagnetMan Animated Voice
Number of posts : 235 Registration date : 2008-12-19
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Thu Mar 12, 2009 10:22 am | |
| I am impressed by the comments made so far and the depth of thought that has gone into them
I am keeping my thumbs crossed in the hope that I might have finally bumped into some genuine critical collaboration on a simple yet extremely complex new theory on the evolution of consciousness. So please keep up the constructive comments as we go along
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I am still deep in the Kalahari Bushman Reserve it is 1972 As far as I know I am one of a handful of Europeans to make a safari that far into the Central desert. Laurence van der Post was there a few years before me.
But I am the first one trying to analyze the Bushman psyche not just his daily behavior
It is midday I am out with the women and children gathering vegetables
The men left camp in the morning to check on their traps and snares and go hunting hopefully to bag another gazelle with a poisoned arrow or maybe even a gemsbok (desert oryx)
If they do that means meat for three or four days
No more daily survival grind for all the family big feasting day and night until the entire carcass is consumed much dagaa smoking (marijuana) dancing chanting going into hallucinogenic trances predicting future hunts
Maybe It depends on the luck of the hunt and luck depends on reverence for Nature
Thus when a large animal is killed the horns are donned and the dancing chant is a cry of praise to Mother Nature for the grace received and the painting in the cave is a record of thanks
In the meantime the women and children are gathering They use digging sticks to unearth a wide variety of tubers and roots On the surface they find tsama melons and wild cucumbers
Everything goes into spingbok-hide shoulder bags the kids hunt tortoise, run down lizard and snake open anthills and greedily devour grubs
The group is led my the matriarch she might be forty or sixty I have no way of knowing exactly she is as wrinkled as a prune her corn-cob hair is gray her naked breasts are as flat as parchment the ravages of a life of breast-feeding
She has been pregnant since puberty having a child every three years
All five of the younger women are her daughters the kids are her grandchildren they are all steatopygic their buttocks distended with stored fat like camels they can live in the desert for weeks without food and very little water
Two of the daughters carry infants strapped to their backs with buckskin one has thrown an elongated breast over her shoulder and the infant breastfeeds while she works A six year old girl has been carrying a three-year old sibling on her hip she has been trudging with the load through the heavy sand for hours
I am conscious that during the past week I have never heard an infant cry Breast-feeding and unbroken body contact 24/7 ensures a feeling of total security there simply is no need to cry and begin that awful modern mother/infant cycle of manipulation and guilt every time the infant is put down and contact is broken
Nor have I heard a single adult rebuke or seen a sibling squabble
Natural three year spacing ensures that each infant is properly weaned from the breast and not pushed off too soon Also the visual difference in size between each sibling makes hierarchical acceptance natural with no need to fight for dominance thus it is entirely natural for the six year old to accept the load of carrying her sibling all work together willingly without need for command
The Stone Age group is matriarchal generations of these these women have never left their family hunting territory and never will. The post-pubertal boys will migrate and seeks mates with neighboring families
I am soaking in all of this family group behavior and gradually becoming conscious of more profound under-currents
I know from my diary that it is Sunday
But not here in the desert there are no weekdays here no months no years no hours or minutes there is no crop to tend to worry over infestation or pray for rain or expect a harvest there is no past regret nor future expectation all that exists in Time is the moment we are in
But Space does exist I became conscious of that as the afternoon wore on. We had reached some kind of invisible boundary
I noticed on a couple of occasions when a child went over to dig up a tuber one of the older females would ell her not to as we began to circle back to camp it dawned on me that the ripe tubers on the other side of the invisible line belonged to their neighbors
We had reached a territorial boundary! Crossing it was taboo Conflict lay in that direction The taboo was both instinctive and cultural that tuber across the invisible line belonged to relatives the family of her own sons
No title deed No policemen No judge No court Man naturally respected the territory and livelihood of his neighbor and treated him as he wanted to be treated himself.
Here was the Golden Rule established by Mother Nature Herself | |
| | | Unreasonable Animated Voice
Number of posts : 728 Age : 41 Location : Purgatory Registration date : 2008-12-13
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:25 am | |
| - Sonofgloin wrote:
- U from the early 19th century as philosophy and enlightenment accelerated by literacy became the vocation of the free thinker, Ich und Du was identified as the point of reference from which to study interpersonal actions and reactions. Quite right too. But I have doubts as to whether you can attribute love to the Sie bin ich,Ich bin sie outcome. Love is chemically driven and the conscious has no domain there. So the selflessness that love imparts is not a conscious act, not an act of free will and therfore not the ultimate example of selflessness.....just a thought, what do you think?
I think that you are incorrect where I highlighted. Every particular human animal is conscious to different levels of degree. Some are hyper-sensitive to stimuli; as it were. This creates a confusion between what is conscious & sub-conscious. | |
| | | Unreasonable Animated Voice
Number of posts : 728 Age : 41 Location : Purgatory Registration date : 2008-12-13
| Subject: Re: The Evolution of Human Consciousness Thu Mar 12, 2009 11:27 am | |
| MM,
Does the tribe have a 'shaman' or active-thinker? Do they have a "medicine man"?
Who is the alpha male (patriarch) of the group and how does he interact with the alpha female (matriarch)?
What do they talk about? What is their relationship (is it sexual)? How does their language & conversation work? | |
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